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Information Theory for Language Models: Jack Morris
Jul 2, 2025 · 1:18:13
Jack Morris, a Cornell PhD student advised by Sasha Rush, discusses his information-theoretic research on language models, including embedding inversion (recovering text from embeddings with 90% accuracy), the universal geometry of embeddings (aligning different models' latent spaces), and measuring model memorization capacity at 3.6 bits per parameter. He argues that paradigm shifts in AI, from AlexNet to instruction tuning, stem not from new architectures but from new datasets, and that the next breakthrough will likely emerge from a novel data source. The conversation also covers the shift from academia to industry, practical advice for grad students on distributed training, and the implications of embedding inversion for privacy and model alignment.

Scaling Test Time Compute to Multi-Agent Civilizations — Noam Brown, OpenAI
Jun 19, 2025 · 1:17:47
Noam Brown, OpenAI researcher behind Cicero and reasoning models, joins hosts Alessio and Puix to discuss how test-time compute scaling drives multi-agent AI and the limits of the system 1/2 analogy. He explains that his Diplomacy bot Cicero reached top 10% of humans in 2022, and later he won the 2025 world championship. Brown argues that reasoning models like o3 succeed in unverifiable domains (e.g., Deep Research) and that harnesses and routers will be washed away by scale. He reveals OpenAI's multi-agent team is pursuing a principled approach, not heuristic, and envisions AI civilizations collaborating. He also shares his coding stack (Codex, Windsurf) and predicts test-time compute will hit cost and wall-clock bottlenecks.

llm.c's Origin and the Future of LLM Compilers - Andrej Karpathy at CUDA MODE
Sep 21, 2024 · 23:29
Andrej Karpathy explains llm.c, his from-scratch C implementation of GPT-2 training that outperforms PyTorch by 20% in speed and 30% in memory, arguing that LLMs will eventually act as compilers for custom code. He recounts starting the project out of frustration with PyTorch compile errors, writing all forward and backward passes manually in C, then porting to CUDA with kernel optimizations. A community of contributors (Eric, Arun, Alex R) helped achieve 50% MFU on a single H100 node, training GPT-2 1.6B in 24 hours for $600. Ongoing work adds Llama 3.1 and FP8 support. Karpathy sees llm.c as proof that LLMs can automate such low-level optimization, making Python and PyTorch a temporary crutch.

High Agency Pydantic over VC Backed Frameworks — with Jason Liu of Instructor
Apr 24, 2024 · 1:02:59
Jason Liu, creator of the Instructor library, explains why structured outputs from LLMs are best handled by a simple requests-like wrapper rather than a VC-backed framework, arguing that Pydantic-defined schemas via function calling outperform JSON Mode for typed responses. He details his journey from being bearish on LLMs at StitchFix to building Instructor on a bullet train to Japan after GPT-3 proved him wrong. Liu advocates for workflow-based DAGs over reactive agent loops, recommends using rankers rather than cramming 60+ tools into an API call, and credits high agency—trying many experiments and documenting conditions for revisiting failures—as key to his success. He also critiques the MLE hiring hype, urging startups to empower motivated AI engineers instead.

Supervise the Process of AI Research — with Jungwon Byun and Andreas Stuhlmüller of Elicit
Apr 11, 2024 · 1:05:28
Andreas Stuhlmüller and Jungwon Byun, co-founders of Elicit (formerly the nonprofit Ought), have built an AI research assistant that automates literature review and reasoning by breaking complex tasks into transparent, step-by-step processes. Their philosophy—"supervise the process, not just the outcome"—led them to start with human simulations before GPT-3 enabled a product pivot. Elicit now uses both open-source and closed models (e.g., GPT-4, Claude Haiku) for summarization, data extraction, and uncertainty flags, and recently launched computational notebooks for scalable, reusable workflows. The company transitioned from nonprofit to a Public Benefit Corporation, reached $1M revenue in four months, and now employs 12 people, focusing on senior software engineers to build reliable orchestration from unreliable components.

Why Google failed to make GPT-3 -- with David Luan of Adept
Mar 27, 2024 · 49:27
David Luan, co-founder of Adept and former early OpenAI leader, explains why Google failed to build GPT-3—its 'brain credit marketplace' prevented critical mass—and why Adept builds enterprise AI agents prioritizing reliability over generality. He recounts the GPT-2 demo that helped secure Microsoft's $1B investment and details Adept's goal: an AI teammate that can do anything a human does on a computer, targeting 'nines of reliability' for workflows like dispatching a physical truck. Luan contrasts Adept's vertical integration—training fast multimodal models (Fuyu) for charts and UIs—with pure-play foundation model companies that sell tokens, predicting commoditization. He notes Adept is sold out for Q1 and raised $420M, and explains how an augmentation focus creates a data flywheel from human oversight.
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