Making Transformers Sing - with Mikey Shulman of Suno
Mar 14, 2024 · 58:58
In this episode of Latent Space, hosts Alessio and Shawn Wang interview Mikey Shulman, CEO of Suno, about making transformers sing. Suno uses transformers to predict audio tokens end-to-end, avoiding baked-in musical knowledge, with a tokenization secret sauce that also includes non-music audio for better vocal realism. Their models are relatively small (far below 175B parameters) due to latency needs, and they prioritize scaling research over brute-force size. Over half of Suno users employ expert mode, tweaking lyrics and style prompts, rather than easy mode. Shulman argues Suno is not the 'Midjourney of music' because music is inherently social and synchronous, unlike images. He demoed live generation, showing control via tokens like [beat drop] and style modifiers, and revealed future plans for collaborative concerts, continuous DJ modes, and personalized models. He also advocates for hiring economists to avoid Goodhart's law pitfalls in ML benchmarks, especially in audio where aesthetics matter most.
